Morris Marina

Morris Marina wedding car, 1970s
This snap from the 1970s shows a 1973-4 Morris Marina De-luxe Coupé in 'Lime Flower'. It has been 'decorated' by the groom's friends after a wedding. It shows the appeal of the Marina to young people in the 1970s.

Origins

The Marina was the first completely new British Leyland (BL) car after the merger between British Motor Holdings (BMH formerly BMC) and Leyland in 1968. The Maxi was the first new car BL launched in 1969, although it was developed under BMC.

After the merger, Sir Donald Stokes (later Baron Stokes) the Leyland Chairman became BL's Chairman. Stokes' most pressing problem was to recover business lost to Ford and Vauxhall.

His biggest concern was the lack of new models that BMH had in development. The five-door Maxi was close to launch, but there were no other new cars in the pipeline.

The Maxi was planned as a replacement for the 1.6 litre Morris Oxford and Austin Cambridge cars and their derivatives. But BMC did not want to take on the Cortina directly. Instead they made the Maxi a bigger car and positioned it more up-market than the Cortina.

The Maxi had innovations, such a hatchback body style and a five speed gearbox. But it was poorly executed. Its cable gear linkage did not work well and the design was very plain and uninspiring.

Stokes wanted BL to produce a new car which would directly challenge the market-leading Ford Cortina. The BL board had already heard that a new larger Cortina was planned for 1971. They were also concerned about the Vauxhall Viva and a new car planned by Rootes, that turned out to be the Avenger. BL's range left a huge gap between the Austin/Morris 1100/1300 and larger cars such as the Austin 1800, Austin Maxi and the older Morris Oxford/Austin Cambridge.

All BMC's recent models were front-wheel drive. They appealed to buyers looking for technically advanced cars, but this left a large section of the market to competitors.

The fleet market (company cars) was also not well served by BL. In 1969 the fleet market was two fifths of all new cars.[1] Fleet owners wanted conventional rear-wheel drive cars, believing them to be simpler and cheaper to maintain.

BL's executive team thought that C Class cars (ie Cortina sized cars) would be 60% of the market in the 1970s. So they needed a new car. It had to look up-to-the-minute, but technically it could be less advanced.

So the Marina was to be a conventional rear-wheel drive car with a modern and stylish body. The complete opposite to what BMC had been doing, but exactly the formula that was successful for Ford and Vauxhall.[2]

Morris Marina 1.8 TC
Morris Marina 1.8 TC 1972-3. The TC had its own unique style of grill. The colour of this car is 'Black Tulip'.

Harry Webster, formerly from Triumph, was BL's Technical Director. In 1968 he was given the task of bringing the Marina to market for the 1970 Motor Show - an unheard of timescale.

The Marina would have to take the place of two conventiontal cars in BL's range, the Morris Minor and the Morris Oxford/Austin Cambridge saloons. Like the Cortina, it would need to have a range of engine sizes and trim levels.

Development

The project was codenamed ADO28 (Austin Drawing Office 28). The car's name was chosen as it began with 'M' and sounded good with Morris. The planning team considered Monaco, Machete (yes that's right!), Mamba, Maori, Matelo, Musketeer, Major, Mirage and Mistral. Marina was easily the most popular choice.

Webster wanted to shorten the development cycle. So he wanted to use as many parts from existing cars as possible. The Marina's front suspension came from the Morris Minor. Its gearbox was from the Triumph 1300/1500 range. There were two engine sizes: 1.3 litre and 1.8 litre. The 1.3 litre cars had the 1275cc A-series engine which powered the Austin/Morris 1300 range. The 1.8 litre cars used the B series engine from the Austin 1800 and MGB.

The stalk mounted controls for the windscreen wipers, washers and lights were taken from Triumph models. They were considered advanced at the time.

The styling was meant to present two distinct cars - a coupé and a saloon. The coupé was aimed at young buyers looking for something stylish. The saloon was also meant to be stylish, but targeted at families.

With the fleet market in mind, the new car was to have a large boot. This was their big gripe with the Austin/Morris 1100 compared to the Ford Cortina.

The designer was former Ford stylist, Roy Haynes. He produced a design for the new car in April 1968. BL also approached Farina and Michelotti in August 1968. Both these Italian stylists had links with BL. Farina designed the Austin A40 and Morris Oxford/Austin Cambridge. Michelotti designed most of Triumph's cars, including the Spitfire, Herald, TR4 and the Triumph 2000.

After looking at all three designs, BL chose Haynes' original design.

Morris Marina Super De-luxe 1971-2
Morris Marina 1.8 De-luxe Coupé 1971-2 in 'Bronze Yellow'. Note the grill, unique to the 1.8 litre models.

Launch

Unlike BMC's badge engineering policy, the Marina was to be a Morris only. There was no Austin version. Stokes decided to split BL's two main marques. Austin was to sell technically advanced front-wheel drive cars and Morris conventional rear-wheel drive cars. Morris dealers would sell the Marina and Austin dealers the Maxi. Both chains of dealers would sell the Mini.

BL invited members of the press to a pre-launch in Cannes in early 1971. Journalists Jeff Daniels and Doug Nye were given a 1.8TC to try. They found the car to be dangerous. Excessive understeer resulted in the car ending up on the wrong side of the road on a tight bend. Daniels contacted Harry Webster and persuaded him to rethink the design. Webster made a last minute fix to the front suspension on the 1.8 litre cars. [3] The 1.3 litre cars, with a lighter engine, handled reasonably well.

With this incident resolved, the Marina was well-received by the motoring press. Julian Mounter, writing in 'The Times' in April 1971, described the Marina as 'excellent'. He liked the 1.3 litre cars best of all. [4]

My wife remembers the local launch of the Marina on Tuesday 27 April 1971 at The Morris Garages, St Aldate's, Oxford. Playing on the 'marina' theme, the dealership turned the showroom into a shallow pool. The Morris Marinas were floating on raised platforms. She remembers an orange coloured saloon (Blaze) on one of these platforms.

How well did the Marina do in the market?

Customers liked the cars too and initially BL found it hard to keep up with demand. Marina sales peaked at 115,000 in 1973. In that year the Marina was Britain's third best selling car. Although it sold reasonably well, the Marina never beat the Cortina in sales. Although it outsold the Maxi by a factor of two in most years of the 1970s. Stokes did get it right with the Marina.

Taken across the whole of the 1970s, the Morris Marina was the fourth best selling car and BL's second best seller behind the Mini, so it did not do too badly.

Buyers chose the Marina mainly for value for money. This was probably because although BL did very little development of the cars since the 1971 launch, they did regularly upgrade the trim and features of the models to keep them looking fresh and to offer good value compared to the Ford Cortina which Ford did actively develop in the 1970s.

BL's market research showed that many buyers chose the Marina because of value for money and economy. Once they had the car they also rated its comfort and roominess

How did the Marina stack up against the competition?

The Marina's main rivals were the Ford Cortina, the Hilman Avenger and the Vauxhall Viva. How did they compare?

These figures compare the 1.3 Marina De-luxe saloon with the Cortina 1.3L and the Hilman Avenger 1250 De-luxe.

MarinaCortinaAvenger
Engine capacity1275cc1298cc1248cc
Bhp605660
Top speed (mph)828581
0-60mph17.5s18s17s
Fuel consumption30mpg27mpg30mpg

Was the Marina a bad car?

The Morris Marina has hardly had a good press recently, but what did people think at the time?

The most scientific way I can think of accessing this is to look at second hand values. How did a Marina compare with its rival the Cortina? If it was such a bad car we would have expected to see heavy discounts on new models and second hand values plummeting.

Marina 1.3 DeluxeCortina 1300L
Cost 1971 (£)921740
Value 1976 (£)963605
Depreciation (%)20%37%
Marina 1.8 Super DeluxeCortina 1600L
Cost 1971 (£)1033835
Value 1976 (£)1074805
Depreciation (%)19%25%

Source: Motorists Guide, December 1976. Prices are new prices in 1971 compared with 'First Class' prices for 1976.

Inflation in the 1970s helped used cars hold their value because the value of money was going down. The Marina held its value better than the Cortina. So no one thought it was a dud back in the 1970s.

The problem with the Marina was that it was a rushed job to begin with and it was given very little development effort throughout its life from 1971 to 1984. People's memories are clouded with pictures of out-of-date cars competing with better engineered products.

The Marina in motorsport

A test of a car's ability is how it performed on the racing and rally circuits. The Marina's record is impressive.

A Morris Marina 1.3 Coup´, driven by Brian Culcheth and Willy Cave, won its class at the 1971 RAC Rally and finished twentieth overall. The car was prepared by BL's Special Tuning Department headed by Basil Wales. [6] It was capable of 105bhp (compared to 60bhp) for the standard Marina 1.3. The Special Tuning Department managed to get 130 bhp out of the Marina 1.3 in later developments.

Culcheth was impressed with the Marina's handling and the light weight of the rally-prepared car. [7]

Culcheth did even better in the 1972 Cyprus Rally. He finished second overall with co-driver Johnstone Syer. The pair entered the following year and finished sixth in a Marina.

The rally-prepared cars were always 1.3. They avoided the handling issues of the bigger engined car. It is a pity BL did not market a tuned version of the 1.3 engine in a production car. But the Special Tuning Department did sell off-the-shelf tuning kits for several BL cars, including the Marina (see below).

BL discussed making a high performance version with the aluminium Rover 3.5 litre V8 with the March racing team. The idea was to sell a specially tuned March Marina, similar to the Lotus Cortina.[8] Unfortunately the plans came to nothing.

Marina tuning kits

BL's Special Tuning Department offered the following tuning kits for the 1.3 and 1.8 Marinas. They were mainly aimed at amateur and professional racing enthusiasts.

Stage I tuning kit

The Stage I tuning kit comprised twin carburettors and inlet manifolds. Tuning beyond Stage I invalidated the warranty. But the Special Tuning Department also offered:

Tuning for the BBC Wheelbase RAC Rally car, driven by Culcheth and Cave in the 1971 RAC Rally, included a modified camshaft and pistons, lightweight alloy wheels, oil cooler, sump guard, and competition brake linings.

The car itself, registered AOX 705K, still survives. However, it is now registered with a different number ending in R. [9]

Morris Marina - advertisting

Advertising slogans

(*) This echoes previous advertising from Morris which suggested value for money. For example 'Pounds, shillings and sense' from the 1950s.

Celebrity adverts

In 1978 BL screened an advert for the new 1.7 litre Marina featuring Robin Nedwell and Geoffrey Davies who both played in the sitcom 'Doctor in the House'. They were two golfers boasting about their new cars. They both bought a Tara green saloon with sporty features. It turns out they both bought exactly same model.

In 1979 and 1981, BL hired The Two Ronnies (Corbett and Barker) to advertise their range. In the first sketch Ronnie Barker plays a salesman and Ronnie Corbett is a customer. Ronnie Corbett is a gangster who has just got out of prison. Ronnie Barker shows him the full range of BL cars including the Mini, Allegro, Maxi, Princess and Marina.

In 1981 Ronnie Corbett plays a tax inspector checking up on a rich tax payer who claims to be poor, but has just bought four new cars with BL's Double Bonus scheme.

Why is the Marina rare today?

Most cars from the 1960s and earlier were generally regarded as classics quite quickly. In some cases before they were even ten years old. Cars from the 1970s, aside from obvious classics such as MGs, although those with the rubber bumpers faired less well, were preserved. However, bread and butter saloons from the 1970s raised eyebrows at classic car clubs. It took some time before the naff image of the decade finally turned into retro chic. This means that some of the ultimate "naff classics", such as the Austin Allegro with its quadric steering wheel, were preserved just before it was too late. This left more ordinary cars such as the Morris Marina out in the cold - often quite literally. I would not be surprised, however, for a new retro craze to start for these now rare beasts!

Marina models

First series 1971-75

Morris Marina Coupe De-luxe, 1972-3
Morris Marina 1.3 Coupé Super De-luxe, 1972. Note the bright wheel trims and the 1.3 litre grill. The colour looks to be 'Blaze'.

The first Marina range launched in 1971.

There were two body styles, a saloon and a coupé. Unusually, the coupé was less expensive than the saloon. It was treated as a two-door saloon, although the body was different. BL added an estate in 1972.

The Marina had two trim levels: De-luxe and Super De-luxe. There were two engines, a 1.3 and a 1.8 litre.

The range was topped by the 'TC' with a 1.8 litre engine with twin carburettors. It was available as a saloon or coupé.

The full line up was:

ModelPriceIn today's money
1.3 litre Coupé De-luxe£923£9300
1.3 litre Coupé Super De-luxe£955£9600
1.3 litre Saloon De-luxe£962£9700
1.3 litre Saloon Super De-luxe£995£10000
1.8 litre Coupé De-luxe£995£10000
1.8 litre Coupé Super De-luxe1040£10500
1.8 litre Saloon De-luxe£1034£10400
1.8 litre Saloon Super De-luxe£1080£10900
1.8 litre TC Coupé£1138£11500
1.8 litre TC Saloon£1177£11900

Trim differences

The De-luxe car had rubber mats on the floor instead of carpets and basic style vinyl seats.

The Super De-luxe car had additional chrome mouldings around the wheel arches and around the bottom of the windows. It also had chrome wheel trims as well as hub caps. Inside, the Super De-luxe had pile carpeting and a different style of vinyl seats. It also had simulated wood finish around the instruments and part of the dashboard. Unusually for this era the Super De-luxe had a tachometer.

In addition to the Super De-luxe spec, the TC cars had a stainless steel sill moulding and a folding arm rest in the centre of the seating in the rear of the car.

The 1.8 litre cars were distinguished by a colour co-ordinated grill with a black surround. The 1.3 litre cars had a slatted chrome grill. The TC had its own unique grill, similar to the 1.8 car, but with 'TC' in the centre.

Mechanical differences

Brakes

The De-luxe had drum brakes all round. The Super De-luxe and TC had disc brakes on the front wheels. The TC also had servo-assisted brakes.

Wheels and tyres

The De-luxe had cross-ply tyres as standard, the other two models had radial tyres. Additionally the TC had stylish wider wheels without hub caps.

Electrical

The TC had reversing lamps, a cigar lighter and twin horns fitted as standard.

Specification and performance

1.3 Coupé1.8 Saloon1.8TC
Engine capacity1275cc1798cc1798cc
Cylinders444
Bhp6082.594.5
Top speed16s13s12s
0-60mph85mph95mph100mph
Fuel consumption37mpg35mpg
Turning circle31 ft31 ft
Length163 in166 in
Height55 in56 in
Width64 in64 in
Wheelbase96 in96 in

Updates

The first change to the lineup was a 1.8 litre estate car launched in 1972. The estate was only available in Super De-luxe trim and cost £1236.

In July 1974 the 1.3 cars got exterior mirrors, hazard warning lights and rear heated windows. In addition the Super models got reversing lights and cigar lighters. The 1.8 litre cars got the same changes, plus servo-assisted brakes and twin horns.

In addition the TC cars got a vinyl roof, tinted windows, coach lines, nylon seat facings and head restraints.

Morris Marina grills
Morris Marina grills: (top to bottom) 1971-5 1.3, 1971-5 1.8, 1971-5 TC, 1975-80 Special

Marina 2 - 1975-78

In 1975 BL relaunched the Marian as the Marina 2.

The most obvious change was a new chrome grill with a black surround on all models. The more expensive models had driving lamps set into the grill.

A major mechanical change was to fit front and rear anti-roll bars to all saloon cars. This significantly improved the handling of the cars.

The interior was also upgraded with new trim and a new dashboard.

The 1.8 DeLuxe was dropped. There was a a new model, the Special, with a vinyl roof and better trim. At the top of the range, the 1.8 litre TC Coupé became the Marina GT and the 1.8 litre TC saloon was badged as the range topping HL.

The Estate had Super trim. In the brochure the two-door cars were no longer coupés, although this name returned in the Mk3

The model line up was:

The differences between the DeLuxe and Super were minor. The Super had reclining seats with different seat facings.

In 1976 a 1.3 litre estate was added to the range.

Marina Special

Morris Marina Special, 1977-8
Morris Marina Special, 1977-8, in 'Astral Blue Metalic'.

The Special brought the Marina in line with other 1970s' cars by offering a vinyl roof. It also had:

Marina GT

Recognising the more sporty appeal of the two-door cars, the GT was only available as a two door.

The GT had the 1.8 litre engine with twin carburettors. It had the Special's vinyl roof, but also had a more luxurious interior with reclining seats and a centre console. There were also two ashtrays, one each for front and rear passengers.

Outside there as was matt black trim and matt black stripes.

Morris Marina Special, 1977-8 - interior
Simulated wood trim for the Marina Special

Marina HL

The HL was essentially the four-door GT, but branded as an executive car. The Cortina 2000E may have been the inspiration. Instead of the matt black trim on the GT, there was shiny chrome and more restrained looking stripes on the outside of the car.

Marina 1.3 Special LE

In 1978 BL offered a 1.3 litre special as a limited edition. It had some classic striped 1970s' seats and the vinyl roof from the 1.8 Special.

Marina Mk3 1978-80

In late 1978 BL upgraded the Marina for one last time.

They replaced the 1.8 litre B-series engine with the new 1.7 litre O-series used in the Austin Princess 2 from July 1978. The new engine replaced the B-series in single and twin carburettor form. This saw the end of the sporty Marinas. The O-series engine had better performance and fuel economy than the single carburettor B-series. It gave 30.1 mpg in town driving, compared to 26.1 mpg for the old engine. [5]

There was a general upgrade of all cars in the Marina range. All models got twin driving lamps and a front spoiler. A subtle change was one piece windows dispensing with the quarter lights in the outgoing cars.

There were new chrome bumpers with rubber inserts for the L and higher models. The base model got matt black bumpers with metal inserts. All cars had revised rear lamp clusters.

The interior of all models had an uprgrade with new trim, steering wheels, switches and controls.

The new cars also got new halogen driving lamps and rear fog lamps. The range was also simplified:

Base model

The base model was sold as saloon, coupé and estate. You could choose the 1300 or the 1700 engine.

It was basic and still had vinyl seats. There were also new wheels with black plastic hub caps.

The Marina base model competed against cars such as the Ford Escort 1300, the Vauxhall Viva 1300L and the Datsun 120Y GLS.

Marina L

The Marina L was sold in all body styles and engine sizes. It was a bit more luxurious with nylon seat facings, smarter wheels and a vinyl roof on the Coupé only. The coupé has a vinyl roof because BL dropped it from the HL range.

The Marina L targeted the Escort GL, the Cortina L, the Renault 12TL, Colt Lancer GL and the Vauxhall Viva GLS.

Marina HL

The HL was only sold as a saloon or an estate. There was no direct replacement for the Marina GT from the Marina 2.

The HL spec included a vinyl roof on the saloon, more chrome trim and smart new wheels. Inside the reclining seats were trimmed in velour and head restraints were fitted. There was a nicely trimed and well equipped fascia with a push button radio fitted as standard.

The HL's competitors were the Cortina GL, the Vauxhall Cavalier GL, the Crysler Avenger GLS and the Crysler Alpine S.

The full range was:

Morris Ital, 1982-3
Morris Ital, 1982-3 Image by grassrootsgroundswell licensed under CC BY-SA 2.0 (cropped).

Ital 1980-84

In 1980 BL replaced the Marina with the Ital. The Ital, as the name and the adverts boasted, was styled in Italy. The styling work was by Ital Design of Turin. Their previous work included the Lotus Esprit, the first VW Golf and the Audi 80. Ironic then that two Italian stylists' designs were turned down for the original Marina in 1968.

The styling makeover gave the Ital new square halogen headlamps and a squared off body. It looked like a car from the 1980s rather than the 1970s.

Cash-strapped BL spent just £5 million on the Ital. They retained many of the Marina's mechanical parts.

The 1.3 litre cars did get a new engine, the same one that went into the 1.3 litre Mini Metros. The 1.7 litre cars continued with the O-series engine.

The Ital was only available as a saloon or estate. BL discontinued the Marina Coupé. The Ital's line up was.

Morris Van, 1979 in RAC livery
Morris Van, 1979 in RAC livery

Austin Morris Van and Pick up

BL used the Marina as the basis for a new Austin/Morris van and pick-up. Launched in 1972 the vans were originally badged as Austin or Morris. By 1975, some badges said 'Austin Morris'.

There was a 7cwt (seven hundred weight) and a 10cwt van and a pick-up. All three were based on the Morris Marina body.

The 7cwt van could be supplied with a 1098cc engine or a 1275cc engine. The 10cwt van had the 1275cc engine.

The van and pick-up had a much simpler facia with a single instrument binnacle similar to that found in the Mini.

References

[1] 'British Leyland - The truth about the cars' by Jeff Daniels, published 1980, Osprey, pages 109-110

[2] 'The Leyland Papers' by Graham Turner, published 1971 by Eyre & Spottiswoode, page 188

[3] 'British Leyland - The truth about the cars' by Jeff Daniels, published 1980, Osprey, pages 112-113

[4] 'Range of ten models in British Leyland's challenge to rivals', by Julian Mounter, published in The Times 27 April 1971, page 5

[5] 'Morris range undergoes revision' by Peter Waymark, published in The Times 20 September 1978, page 3

[6] 'BMC Competitions Department Secrets' by Peter Browning, Marcus Chambers, Stuart Turner, published by Veloce 2006, page 181

[7] Rallying's Mr Versatile Brian Culcheth

[8] 'British Leyland may return to world motor sport' by Julian Mounter, published in The Times, 26 April 1972, page 2

[9] Coventry Automotive Marina Rally Car AOX 705K

Your comments on the Morris Marina

"i bought a second hand marina from a mate in the 80s it was on the road for approx 5 minuets i drove it round a sharp bend and the steering rack broke and i crashed into a garage wall. the car was a right off the wall did not look to good either. the car cost me £85-00 the wall cost me £25-00 happy days" paul beasley



"Purchased my first marina just a few days ago, a fantastic looking car from my point of view. Though driving it could be compared to driving a home-built go-kart... That's all part of the fun of driving a car like this. Perhaps a car once called "The worst car of all time" could one-day become loved again..." Joe.F 18/12/2010

"My time spent driving a Marina in the early 80's.....Happy, Happy days, fuel was cheap, cars had individuality, 0-60mph took all day and you could service it on a saturday morning. I now drive a Honda same car for ten years....never spent a penny on it other than servicing,its never let me down not half as much fun as a Marina, and the back seat.....well thats another story!!!" BOC 20/03/2011

"I had an L reg 1.8 estate. It could pull away in 4th gear in a field. However top speed was stubbornly 69mph and when I drove over puddles we lifted our feet as water splashed through the rusted holey floor. So much space in the engine compartment a whole family of asyllum seekers could hide in there. But it had character. Just don't sit bare-legged on those vinyl seats in summer!" Steve 11/06/2011

"Owned a string of 4dr Morris Marinas in 1970s as follows:
1st) 1972 1.8 Super (PEY259K)
2nd) 1973 1.3 DeLuxe (GOE363L)
3rd) 1977 1.8 Special (MLV524R0
4th 1979 1700HL (UKA249V)
Best ones were the 1.8s and worst was the 1700 which was purchased new! Problem starter. All others S/H and started fine!
Never owned a Coupe - which I always liked the shape of. Never needed an estate which was again a nice looking vehicle. Happy Days" Rob Owen 24/08/2011

"I worked for a BL dealership in 1972 when the Marina sold well. It was spacious & comfortable, but not a patch on the rival Cortina or Avenger. The handling was pretty poor especially in the wet and the bigger engined cars were the worst. The 1.3 was reasonably well balanced, but the 1.8 was nose heavy and the extra power of the TC enough to slew the rear end round quite dramatically, despite the standard radial tyres. The 1.3s came on standard crossplies - dunlop D75 groundhogs and this meant you could have a lot of fun at the low speed limit of adhesion - provided you were tall enough! Small drivers couldn't take left hand turns fast because the car's bonnet got in the way of sight as the car tilted quite dramatically.
But the worst problem of the cars was undoubtedly the abysmal build quality. It was rumoured they were named Marina after the water leaks. Being mechanically simple & using well proven parts, they should have been reliable, but rarely so. The same problems were repeated over & over in many cars.
Obviously, being a large dealership we had a number of accidents to repair. Owners repeatedly told us that the cars we rebuilt after accidents handled & performed better and were more reliable & had less squeaks & rattles than when they were new. Such a pity that a history of accidental damage devalued them.
The car that could have saved BL undoubtedly contributed to its demise. These were the days of poor industrial relations, factory workers sleeping their shifts, cars often being damage repaired before they even left the factory. Had they been well made, Marinas could have been a good car. Certainly I liked them despite the design flaws. I even owned one for a month as an emergency stopgap after a much loved motor caravan died. My kids took one look at it & refused to be seen in it - except when we went round local garages looking for a new car.
Would I own another? Sorry, no. They were tremendous fun but nowadays I need something reliable and a lot less lethal." dzerjb 17/02/2012

"The marina was the car that was destroyed by management. They wanted a car with a wheelbase of 96 inches, so they raised the parts cupboard, the trouble was they opened all the wrong cupboards. BL already had the Dolomite - wheelbase.....96 inches. Allegro, yes you guessed it 96 inches.
All they needed to do to produce a good car was to import the Dolomite floor plan and build the Marina on that.

That would be, and certainly was far too simple.

From 1973 onwards, BL were producing 3 96 inch cars all in completion with each other. The term economies of scale hadn't arrived at Cowley or Longbridge." mike price-james 07/07/2015

"I owned a 1972 1.8 Deluxe Coupe with what appeared to be Triumph 'pepper-pot' steel wheels. it handled like a pig on roller-skates!
Every year for the MOT, I replaced at least one leaf spring at the rear (one snapped on the way to work) and most of the front set-up, trunnions, lever-arm shocks.
One time the near-side trunnion fell off into the wheel rim, steering went really light, good job I could summon help with a jack and a piece of fencing wire (sorry Morrisons)to complete a roadside repair.
A cousin of mine had the 1.3 Super Deluxe, miles away from mine in terms of equipment, reclining seats, nice door cards and cappings, carpet and a rev counter to name but a few.
Mine had fixed seats, full-size rubber mat, no door capping, I went to the scrapyard and got the rears off a super, no fronts to be had so I made timber ones, dead classy out of Iroko!
There was a horrible smell emanating from the floor and on stripping out the rubber carpet, found the floor pan to sopping wet and rusty all over. I cleaned and treated it, got a pattern carpet in a sort of tan colour and pushed all the grommets out, it never leaked again, but my lady had to be careful where she put her heels!
I was sure that it had been clocked as at 49k I drove to to Perranporth Cornwall,a distance of 360 miles. On just over half-way back it needed a very large glug of oil.
I say 'clocked' because when I finally got the previous MOT cert. it said 53k. I had serviced it before we set off and the engine ran fairly sweetly. It always had a lumpy tick-over, cured by fitting a replacement off-side new engine mounting. acquired from the scrapyard.
I replaced the water-pump in Summer 1981 and didn't replace the Bluecol coolant I'd lost. Winter came and the core plugs blew out of the engine block. I had to have the car towed to a warm garage (this was the '81 -'82 cold winter)to have it fixed.
On its return I drove over a snow-filled deep pothole and smashed the near-side torsion bar.
I had the car taken away having owned it for six years, paying £850 in May 1976. I'd borrowed the cash from Mum after Dad died and looking back I paid too much, what a dope!
During it's time it was welded, undersealed, welded, undersealed and had a new off-side front wing after a spill with a learner-biker who was 'plastered' and who turned in front of me.
The cars colour was bronze yellow, but the new paint job was brighter, not a good match.
A year or so after mine was put to sleep, my brother bought a red TC, a beauty which was written off by thieving S*******!
That was a really nice car and if I could go back, it would be to one like that.
I nearly forgot the petrol tank became porous so I fitted on from a Mini in the boot of the Marina, that was funny!
All in all it was my first car and on reflection, I wish that Mother had let me buy that Mk2 Cortina 1600E from Ian at work. She wouldn't because she only trusted the dealer selling the Marina, nuff said.
Thanks for taking the time to read my tale and happy motoring." Davey 04/05/2016

"My first car, after passing my test, was a TC Coupé - red-lined at 120, and taught me a lot about double-declutching as the clutch master cylinder is too close to the twin outlet and the seal was subject to heat-exhaustion!! We'd intended to keep it and do it up, but life got in the way - still miss it!" Clare 05/02/2018

"I had a 1975 1.8 Special, metallic green with a brown vinyl roof and sort of beige interior. I bought it in 1981. One morning soon after I went out to take it off the sloping drive to find the footwells full of water. There were leaks at both lower corners of the screen, and over time the pads under the carpets had soaked up all they could so the water rose over carpet level. It was never 100% fixed and the car always had a slightly odd smell.

It actually served me pretty well. I can recall replacing the battery, dynamo, silencer and petrol tank. There must have been tyres too. The fuel gauge ceased to work but I used to calculate 15 miles to the £1 and set the trip meter to zero when I filled up. The differential was noisy, but I knew that when I bought it.

I drove it into a gate post and crunched the front nearside wing quite badly. I repaired it myself. Also quite badly.

I threw it about as much as I could. The handling probably wasn't great but that was the way in those days. It all added to the fun.

At an MOT the tester asked me one time what was "special" about it. Good question. Essentially cosmetic but a big engine so, by the standards of the time, a relatively unstressed ride.

In the autumn of 1985, by which time it was somewhat battered, I saw a Y plate 1.3 Ital advertised in the local paper. My dad and I went to see it and he persuaded the owner to let us take it for an instant MOT. We did go back and bought it. The owner said he couldn't belive what he'd done when he saw his rather nice car disappear and then looked at the wreck we'd arrived in." Steve 08/02/2018

"My parents had an eight year old 1.8 Marina Super in 1982 while we saved up for a better car. It had some rust and the interior was rattly, but otherwise it was completely reliable, never failed to start, and was OK on long journeys, even if the handling was a bit wayward. Also it had a two band radio that you had to tune in yourself and sounded like a pocket radio through its single speaker.
Mind you, when we changed it for a Talbot Alpine, again a car with a less than thrilling reputaton, it was like moving out of the dark ages as this had a radio/cassette, thick velour seats and no bare metal in the cabin." Glenn Aylett 29/04/2018

"The suspension was NOT from the minor, fact check would be good" Carl 09/10/2020

"Hi Carl,

The information I have is "The front suspension was evolved from the Morris Minor..." British Leyland - the truth about the cars' by Jeff Daniels, published Osprey 1980, page 112.

Best regards" Steven 09/10/2020

"I bought a 1971 1798 TC for my wife about mid '70s.It looked a bit rough but the seller was a friend of mine who ran his own Garage, Repair & AA Rescue business. He was unusual in that he had served a Degree Apprenticeship at "The Austin" and knew the cars inside out. He assured me that under the grime it was a good solid car and that the reputation the marque had acquired was a bit unfair and that the handling problems could be easily overcome. (He had access to Special Tuning!). My wife was not happy when she saw what I had bought her but after a couple of weeks of solid washing, cleaning, polishing, seats out etc. etc. she quickly changed her mind. Down at the garage the front and rear suspension tuning parts were fitted and set up. I had a spare Electric clock and a pair of Analogue Oil Pressure and Vacuuum gauges from a deceased Mini project so fitted them in place of the dash air vent in matching housing. Fresh fluids, pads, hoses and some wiring upgrades, MOT,Tax & Ins. and we were away to the open road. It was everything that Leyland had hoped it would be and as good/better than it might have been if they'd had the money at the time. It was comfortable, handled well and as quick as you wanted to be on winding roads and M Ways. My wife didn't get to use it as much as she would have wished as I tended to requisition it at odd moments when car-less, leaving her to have to use Public Transport to get to work. Relations soured a little at these times but she soon cheered up again as soon as she got behind the wheel. Unfortunately we didn't get to enjoy it for too long, a house purchase and financial mis-calculation left us searching down the back of the sofa for the 'necessary' to get us across the threshold, financial and house-wise. A sad loss but a stroke of good fortune for a colleague of my wife who had lusted after the car for some time and now turned up at the plant each morning, smiling smugly as he parked up outside her office window!
By the way, I forgot the car had an 8-Track Radio and on holidays or trips out we listened to the dulcet tones of Frank Sinatra, The Everley Bros, ABBA(it was the '70s!), Count Basie, Simon & Garfunkel, Jack Jones, Walker Bros, Benny Goodman and The Dorsey Bros. A local shop had a great library! Often coming home from a trip out or on holiday, we'd head for a chippy and a "quiet" layby, settle in on the most comfortable bench seat, listen to the music, eat our pie/fish and chips and re-visit earlier times!?^*. Oh what happy days/memories." John (Harris. Not for pub'n.) 16/10/2020

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